tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5200276.post2449541275671451971..comments2023-12-28T06:30:48.808-05:00Comments on The Rule of Reason: The Immigration Question: Part OneUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5200276.post-74480347136957900812015-07-15T20:04:03.909-04:002015-07-15T20:04:03.909-04:00"Madmax, you say 'ideas alone matter'..."Madmax, you say 'ideas alone matter' is unpersuasive. But do you then mean ideas are tied inexorably to genetics and race and culture? There aren't any facts supporting what you are inferring."<br /><br />Madmax can speak for himself, but I don't know anyone who would say that genes and race inevitably lead to certain ideas. There is nothing in the genes of Hispanics that makes them Catholic as opposed to Muslim, for example.<br /><br />But biology does place limits on how a population group will develop. This is the evidence from 100 years of study in diverse fields such as anthropology, biology, genetics, economics, psychology and history. <br /><br />To give one example (which I take from Wade's book, A Troublesome Inheritance), there are Chinese in the Philippines, Malaysia and Indonesia. They always form the upper crust. But since human beings want to improve their standard of living and are imitative by nature, why don't the natives just follow the Chinese and increase their success? Apparently, biology places a limit on their ability to do so.<br /><br />Or consider Rhodesia and South Africa. You'd think Africans would realize that the whites have a knack for economics and organization, but they couldn't even maintain what the whites accomplished. They didn't want to or, more likely, weren't able to.<br /><br />Yes, things were better without the welfare state and multiculturalism, but I think if around 1900 we had massive immigration of Africans, Meso-Americans and Muslims we'd probably have a class that didn't assimilate. <br /><br />One thing that strikes me about non-European immigrants is their level of resentment of white civilization. My grandparents came from Southern Europe and, while they never achieved the level of the WASPs, they weren't bitter. They didn't riot like the Afro-Caribbeans do in the UK or the Algerians do in France. They were greatful for what Western Civilization afforded them.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17224280484542390176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5200276.post-27651820301110536032015-07-15T11:03:10.599-04:002015-07-15T11:03:10.599-04:00Roxanne: Ditto. And, yes, I've said many times...Roxanne: Ditto. And, yes, I've said many times in these columns that there was no welfare state even in the early 20th century. Immigrants didn't come here to "game the system" and prey on the productive. Why do readers have to be reminded of that by me or by anyone else? Edward Clinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12160209827969614964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5200276.post-79971933778402328712015-07-14T21:06:45.687-04:002015-07-14T21:06:45.687-04:00Additionally, there was no Welfare State at the tu...Additionally, there was no Welfare State at the turn of the last century. <br /><br />Rand said, before she died, that it was even then too late for a popular rebellion back towards freedom. I presume she meant the collectivist epistemology was too pervasive to be overcome by popular commonsense and American Sense of Life. The only thing that will fight a bad idea (altruism as a moral ideal, which mandates the social/political suicide) is with better ideas. This means the young and the schools, from toddlers on up. <br /><br />And what must be understood and taught is reason as an absolute, NOT as a "tool" that one uses when one feels inclined. And that A is A. Since dictatorships/tyrannical types always attack the Law of Identity, no way to understand this except with reason. One's American Sense of Life is useless up against a skilled demagogue.Roxannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03435540465525163551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5200276.post-20873496927965858172015-07-14T17:54:45.510-04:002015-07-14T17:54:45.510-04:00Madmax, you say "ideas alone matter" is ...Madmax, you say "ideas alone matter" is unpersuasive. But do you then mean ideas are tied inexorably to genetics and race and culture? There aren't any facts supporting what you are inferring. <br /><br />America was invaded once before at the turn of the last century and weathered that storm. Because back then Americans valued and understood, better than today, what freedom was, what it cost, and believed in the MORALITY of the ideals their country was founded on. There was NO MULTICUTURALISM. The immigrants back then all went to government schools where they were instructed in the rightness of these ideals, the morality of American society where the individual's life was protected and was the purpose of limiting government: to allow the individual to live. <br /><br />Today, the government schools are the Left's brainwashing factories. The Republic has no hope of surviving unless those schools are bypassed, or closed, and American students are educated in a rational curriculum teaching respect for rule of law, individual rights, economic freedom as a corollary to political freedom and why that is moral. Also, teaching the history of America and why she is the ONLY MORAL nation in the history of mankind.Roxannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03435540465525163551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5200276.post-15224786864877167992015-07-14T12:45:58.041-04:002015-07-14T12:45:58.041-04:00This gets even more scarier when you consider demo...This gets even more scarier when you consider demographic trends world wide. Its speculated that African blacks will account for *half* of the world's population by the beginning of the end of the 21st century. There will be an African invasion of European nations. Of course the Asians will not let them enter, but white countries will. This is one of those cases where its difficult to imagine a theoretical libertarian/Randian society being able to handle an influx of Africans. But our increasingly socialist society with its own European genetic stock dwindling? One can imagine nightmare scenarios. Imagine Somalia being transplanted into Western Europe and North America. This goes ways beyond Islam.<br /><br />And this is the problem that no one in the pro-liberty movement wants to address; not libertarians, not Randians, not mainstream Conservatives; racial demographics. America was a limited government republic created by northern Europeans. If you change the nature of the society so that its no longer a European country can you still have the liberty oriented society? Randians are going to say that only ideas matter. That seems so sterile and unpersuasive when you look at the dysfunction in the West being caused by non-Europeans and then speculate what will happen when Europeans are a minority in their own countries. <br /><br />I keep thinking that the Euro-American world is heading for hell-on-earth. Imagine Atlas Shrugged but with a massive anti-white race war and an Islamic Holy war against Kaffir. I'm glad I'll be dead by then. madmaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14375140131881725965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5200276.post-42126170843487049612015-07-13T22:11:43.178-04:002015-07-13T22:11:43.178-04:00Excellent analysis, Mr. Cline. With El Chapo Guzma...Excellent analysis, Mr. Cline. With El Chapo Guzman on the loose (again!) and with the rise of illegal alien crimes, NOW more than ever the USA needs to build a strong and secure border. I am so livid at the ineptitude of the GOP! Our society is imploding into chaos.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com